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  • Posted by shana 10 months ago. There are 19 posts. The latest reply is from Nikki.
  1. I tore my ACL on 10/24 running in the woods trying to catch up to my friends when I slipped on a pile of wet muddy leaves. Needless to say I am much more cautious now! I am 28 and my idea of active is 90 minutes in a gym 5-6 days a week...usually on the elliptical for an hour and the bike for 30 minutes. I don't play any contact sports or ski.

    I am deciding whether or not to do auto or allograft and I am still trying to decide on a doctor.

    My folks live in Phoenix and I have a 2nd opinion with Dr. Corey Nelson--the doc who repaired Tom Brady's ACL when I go visit them for Thanksgiving. I am currently in DC and would like to find a very good doctor locally just in case I decide to stay in DC for my surgery. I saw someone initially but wasn't too thrilled with his bedside manner.

    I am just absorbing everything I can right now and am just overwhelmed by it all and a bit scared to be honest...I've never had surgery before in my 28 yrs...call me lucky I guess. Ideally with work and all I'd like to schedule my surgery for January. I should be done with pre-op PT the second week of December.

  2. Shana,

    Welcome to the club. I tore my ACL back in May when I was 28 as well, playing basketball. I decided to go with the hamstring autograft because I was slightly concerned with the patella autograft. I am a photographer and do a lot of bending and kneeling and I heard from a few of my friends that they still feel a bit of tenderness when kneeling with the patella graft. It's really all about research. The allograft didn't seem like the best fit for my lifestyle. I had my surgery in August and I'm quickly approaching my three month post op anniversary. Recovery is definitely a long road and you have your ups and downs as I'm sure anyone will tell you.

    As far as your doctor search is concerned, be prepared for some pretty pompous doctors. I did not like my doctor initially either. He was not forth coming with information at all, but I found that when I did my research and came to him with specific questions, he was able to answer everything. I know how big a decision it is for you to trust someone with such a major surgery. What I did like about my doctor is that he had torn both of his ACLs playing football, so he had a lot of knowledge on the recovery end.

    Besides this blog, I frequent http://www.acl-r-us.blogspot.com/ which has a few more sites linked. Everyone's recovery is different, but there is a ton of information on these sites. Be curious and ask questions.

    As far as a surgery date, I can only tell you one thing. I could not imagine being on crutches in the snow. So if you decide to go with DC in January, really keep that in mind. I was on two crutches for 2 weeks, down to one crutch the next week, and a cane for the following two. The last thing you want is to slip in the snow and reinjure yourself.

    Good luck!
    Audra

  3. Hey Audra,

    Did you go with the patella graft because you play basketball and other non in-line sports? I am thinking of doing the allograft since I am not an athlete by any means and I hear the allograft is a bit of an outdated procedure but I still get SO many conflicting stories. I am thinking of having it done in Arizona so the snow won't be an issue with my crutches plus, I'll most likely be out west for most of the snowy weather (besides Feb.) and to be honest I just really,really,really want to get it over with, work through the first week of pain and put this all behind me!

    Why did you choose the autograft? How long was your recovery process and is the pain really as bad as everyone says? I am freaked out to put it mildly...

    My doctor seemed knowledgeable but when he told me that he wanted to tap my knee to relieve the swelling and that I would most likely need surgery I cried like a baby and he asked me if I was a "big weanie". So although he comes highly reccommended he could work on his interpersonal skills...

  4. Hi Shana,

    I tore my ACL skiing in the Andes this August. I have been going to the sports medicine clinic at MGH (I live in Boston). I am fortunate that my surgeon is very highly regarded (he also works on professional athletes). He immediately suggested the patellar autograft surgery. He told me that it is always better to use your own live tissue than a cadaver. Although the recovery is longer and more painful for an autograft, the allograft is not as strong. You may want to see if your surgeon is more proficient in one type of surgery over another.

    I have also never had surgery (at 33) and am currently in pre-op PT. I am still using crutches (but mainly for walking around Boston). It is taking longer for me to get full flexibility (which is needed for surgery), because I also sprained my MCL and meniscus and I have three bone fragments. If you can get your hands on a cold therapy unit (cyro cup) now, it will help with the swelling and pain.

    Hope this helps

  5. Thanks Mike! I had my first pre-op PT session today and it was ok. The therapist put me on the bike for 10 minutes which was nice to actually get moving again and she told me to get down to one crutch. My doctor told me that since I have a crazy low pain threshold I should go with a cadaver graft even though it takes longer to heal since it's a foreign object. I mean, to be honest I am not quite sure if I can put up with the pain from the patellar graft.

  6. I have a pretty low pain threshold myself and I had autograft/hamstring. My doc recommended this as the best in his opinion. During his fellowship he said they did all patellar grafts but that he switched to mostly hamstring grafts because like someone mentioned before there was less frontal knee pain with a hamstring. I can tell you that with the hamstring it gave me a lot of trouble getting my ROM back. I had a lot of muscle pinching/pain back behind my knee from the hamstring graft. So basically everytime I did my PT exercises it hurt like hell. It is honestly a really difficult rehab to go through (especially for us sissies). You do just have to try to remind yourself that it will get better, and that slow progress is still good progress if your having a hard time. Week 1-5 was really hard, 5-10 still hard, and then all of a sudden (once my hamstring graft really seemed to heal) things really improved dramatically! Good luck.

  7. Thanks Nikki. Why did you choose to go with the autograft?

  8. I went with auto because the doc said there was less chance of the graft not taking. Plus no risk of disease or anything like that. The doctor did say that there's rigorous testing done on cadaver tissue so I don't think it's much of an issue regardless. My uncle is an orthopedic surgeon and he recommended my knee surgeon as the best in Seattle. My doctor gave me all the options available but he told me that hamstring autograft was his preferred method. I listened since he was supposed to be the best. I also wasn't overly fond of my doctor when I first met him. I felt like he was trying to get me in and out of there as fast as possible. I felt like he told me all the general info I needed but I soon realized I needed to come prepared with my own questions to really feel comfortable with the doc. Have you made a decision yet?

  9. I haven't decided yet and am a big whimp about the pain with an auto. How long did it take for you to do away with the crutches? I am getting a second opinion over Thanksgiving so I hope thie new doctor will shed some light on auto vs/ allo for me. My first doc recommended allo since I was really freaked out about the pain but I want it done right the first time and no repeat surgeries.

  10. Shana,

    I went with the hamstring autograft mostly because I was concerned with kneeling pain that I heard a lot of patella graft patients deal with. I felt that the autograft choices were pretty much similar in strength, the main difference is the speed in which the graft fuses to the bones. The patella will heal more quickly because it is bone to bone healing. (I believe sites say the graft fuses around 6 weeks post op) The hamstring graft takes a bit longer (12 weeks). I wasn't in a huge rush to return to sports, as I only play recreationally. I also read that the hamstring graft isn't as painful as the patella tendon. I can't judge the truth to that on my own. I know I have a fairly high pain tolerance, so I'm not a good person to ask about pain. I took my pain pills the first couple of days, mostly to help with sleeping and I was back to work a week after my surgery.

    Here's a basic overview of the graft choices with pros and cons:
    http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/aclrepain/a/aclgrafts.htm

    Today I've reached the 12 week mark, so I'm half way there! I saw my doctor last week, he was pleased with my ROM, and told me my ACL was solid as a rock. I've cut back my PT to once a week and I get to try out running on a treadmill this Friday. In another two weeks, I'm going to start lateral movement exercises. It's been so long since I've even tried to jog, I'm actually looking forward to it. I think it's important for you to find a PT that you trust and like. They really are the ones getting you back on your feet and seeing the daily improvements, as minute as they seem at times. I was unfortunate enough to have my PT leave the practice I'm going to after my 8th week of recovery, but the person I'm seeing now is just as knowledgeable.

  11. Thanks for the info! How long was your surgery with the hamstring graft?

  12. I will sort of give you the run down on what I went through as a fellow pain whimp :) Keep in mind I did also have some of my meniscus cut out along with the ACL surgery. My doc regimen for post op was the same for ACL as it was for ACL/meniscus. The only difference was that getting off the crutches could be a bit longer with meniscus work done. I've learned from talking to fellow ACL patients at PT that everything varies from person to person. I play soccer with a girl who tore her ACL 2 months before me and she's already back playing soccer. I am at 14 or 15 weeks and not even running yet. I have also not done my PT exercises for the past 4 weeks so my knee is sort of on hold right now.

    I was on crutches for 5 weeks. I think because of the pain that I didn't really ease myself into walking around. I just used the crutches all the time until I finally decided, ok, I think it's been long enough and then I was walking almost all the time from then on out. I kept the crutches with me when I went out just in case I got tired out but I never really used them after 5 weeks.

    Week 1- Brace locked out straight in full extension. No bending knee. Just medicate, sleep, and ice 24 hours a day all day! I seriously iced all day long. Some people are told by their docs to start bending your knee right after surgery but my doctor said it's much harder to get your full extension back then it is to get your 130 degree bend. So this is why he locks his patients braces straight out. Some people get cold machine things too. They are supposed to circulate cold water or something like that around your knee. I didn't have this. I had about 14 bags of frozen peas in my freezer and I used 2 bags at a time at all times throughout the day. I feel asleep and woke up with mooshy peas numerous times. My brace never came off for any of this. I gave myself sponge baths when I could.

    Week 2- Brace still locked out in full extension. Same as above, tons of icing and I believe I was still taking the pain medicine but I had switched to Vicodan cuz the other stuff had made me itchy.

    Week 3- Was supposed to start physical therapy after 2 weeks but I couldn't get an appointment where I wanted so the doc said I could wait another week as long as I practiced quad firing exercises at home along with slowly trying to get my knee to bend so it didn't stiffen up too much. The doctor also unlocked my brace to 60 degrees at this point too so my knee could now bend a bit in my brace if I wanted it too. (I think) It's hard to remember now. I should have kept a journal or something. Still icing a lot but took my brace off while I did it quite a bit. During the first 3 weeks I always had my heel resting on top of 3 or 4 pillows. It helps to have your knee a bit suspended in mid air cuz it helps force the knee to really straighten out. It helps with getting your extension back.

    Week 4- Started PT two day's a week along with home exercise program which I did every day except PT day's, twice a day. I believe I was randomly taking pain pills at night time because sometimes it was hard to sleep if my knee hurt. I have trouble sleeping in general too so that was probably just me being weird :)

    Week 5- No more pills, and off crutches. Back to work but mostly only sitting jobs.

    Week 6- ? Can't remember anything interesting.

    Week 7-?

    Week 8- I believe sometime in the week 6-8 My brace was unlocked so I could fully bend it at will. I didn't have my full range of motion back yet though so I never bent it that much. I think I could bend my knee to about 115-120 degrees forced at this point. They want you to get back to about 130 not forced. I think I also started taking off my brace at this point. I know I didn't sleep with it on anymore but I still usually only slept on my back because it felt weird to have my knee bent sideways. I started doing more standing type jobs at work so I would wear my brace most day's.

    Week 9- Taking off the brace more often at work

    Week 10- All of a sudden a lot of the pain subsided. Could bend to 127 degrees not forced. Got to start working on lateral movement exercise in PT.

    So there's my novel for you. I know that everything I did was on a slower progress scale then most people. I started PT late and had a lot of pain that made it hard to force myself to bend my knee. My therapist said that I was her most difficult patient (pain wise) but that I was also the only hamstring graft she has ever had. I met about 6 or 7 other ACL's at PT and every one of them had had Patellar tendon grafts. I would guess that no matter what you choose it's going to hurt, and it's going to be hard. Like I mentioned before, have someone there for you who can really help you out when you need it. My knee feels pretty good right now. Not good enough to run on by any means, but that's because I haven't been doing my exercises and it's weak. I'm defo glad I had surgery because it feels so much more solid then after I hurt it. Back before surgery it always felt like it was going to give out on me. Sorry to write so much, I just remember how much research I was doing online pre surgery and there's so much info out there that it's scary to take it all in. this is just my own personal experience with it. Let me know if you have anymore questions.

    I agree with squid kid's comment about finding a PT that you like. They are the ones who you spend the most amount of time working with and answering a lot of your questions.

  13. Thanks so much Nikki, I really appreciate this! Did your doc put you on percoset before the vicodin? I am allergice to percoset and it makes me really itchy too.

    My physical therapist is hardcore and scary at times but she's good. She said she wants me in PT 48 hours after surgery and that she is going to make me bend my knee to 90' and that yes, it will probably feel like the sutures are going to rip out. EEK! Needless to say I almost cried at the thought.

    How long after the surgery were you able to drive?

  14. I believe my surgery was 2 hours long. I had two surgeons working on the knee. One was harvesting the graft and the other was putting it in. I woke up in recovery and then they gave me a femoral block, which I haven't read anyone else getting. In my opinion, this was the worst part of the surgery because I was awake and it hurt, but I think it helped with pain for the next few days.

    I was at PT 2 days after my surgery. That was nice because it was my first time out of the brace, they took my T.E.D. stocking off (also awesome to keep swelling down) and I got to see my knee for the first time and all the lovely bruising. Be prepared for the full rainbow and don't be shocked to see bruising in your ankle. They went over quad firing, took some measurements, then set me up with ice and stim. My visit later in the week had me doing simple leg lifts. It wasn't until the second week that they had me work on heel slides and bending. I have a more detailed journal of my recovery at home, I'll look through and post anything noteworthy.

    I was allowed to drive a week after my surgery because it was my left leg and I don't drive a stick. Obviously, you can't be taking pain meds if you want to be driving. I set up a rig to elevate my leg at work, a photo bench and a pillow and my coworkers were great about bringing in ice from home to keep my cold compress full. If you have any plastic butter tubs, cream cheese or yogurt containers lying around, hold on to them. Stick them in the freezer over night and you'll have plenty of ice. Of course I had my surgery the hottest week of the summer, so the ice maker was struggling to keep up.

  15. Nikki - Your complete account is really helpful, thanks for sharing. My surgery was on Sept. 25 and I'm happy to say six weeks out I'm off crutches, out of the brace and walking pretty close to normally -- including stairs -- with near full range of motion. The difference of course is that I had the allograft which my doc recommended for someone of my age (4-oh) and level of activity (active but not heavy-duty atheletic). For the pain-averse, I recommend it. I was off pain pills in three days, just taking tylenol occasionally. I also started PT the week after the surgery and got on the stationary bike as soon as I possibly could. Anyway, that's my two cents on the subject.

  16. I was on percoset before the vicodin and it made me itchy and feel sorta gross so I switched about 4 day's after surgery. My car is a stick so they didn't let me drive until 7 weeks. I believe that the people who drove an automatic got to drive at 4 or 5 weeks.

    Wow cdwinpdx, off pills in 3 day's? Nice! I wish I could have been off them so fast. My boyfriend was just reminding me how weird I acted on pain pills. I would fall asleep in the middle of my sentences while talking to him :) I am also impressed by your almost full ROM at 6 weeks. I spent the day in Seattle today. Shopping downtown and going to the Pike Place Market. My knee is actually pretty sore from walking around a lot but I think the cold weather has some effect on the stiffness too. Can you spend a day out doing a lot and not have it effect your knee much?

  17. I had a femoral block too squid kid but I didn't get it when I was awake. The anesth. gave me the option before surgery in our little meeting. He and the OS said it helps a lot with the pain the first 24 hours but after that it wears off. My mom posted a lovely pic of me about 6 hours after surgery on facebook and I do actually look relatively pain free. She even commented on how my nerve block hadn't worn off yet :) I had no pain with receiving the block cuz I was still out. I choose to be put under for the surgery as I had no desire to watch someone cutting into me on the video screen even if I couldn't feel it.

  18. I am going to talk to my doctor about a femoral block and make sure he gives it to me when I am still out! I walked around for about 2 hours today and now my lower back is KILLING me probably because my whole body is out of whack. I'd just like to feel normal already!

  19. One more thing to remember, and I'm sure the doc will tell you anyway, make sure to stay on top of your pain pills. It sucks to miss a dose and wake up in pain and have to wait for a pill to work.

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